andro saner wrote:Nexon wrote:Није проблем мешање након доласка, то је нормално.
Али они оригинилано нису словени, већ неки чудан микс авара и словена. Пошто су Авари били чувени да су словене под својом влашћу третирали лоше уз сношаје са словенским женама. Лош однос по ономе што ће се звати хрвати су имали и Франци, који су основали оно што се зове хрватска. Већ сам ставио цитате византијског цара Порфирогенита који каже да Франци бацају хрватску децу керовима.
Твој деда по мушкој линији није мога имати И2а наследнике ако си ти Р1а.
И то нису гени и епицентар и Загреб није никакав центар ако се говори о И2а јер је то словенска грана а никаква домицилна.
Mislim da me nisi razumeo! Svi moji dedovi po muskoj liniju su naravno R1a, ali su oni mogli imati zene koje su I2a! U prevodu sa svakim novim brakom svako dete dobija sve vise I2a materijala, ali ipak ostaje R1a od praoca! Npr. Ja bukvalno nista slovensko nemam (osim gena praoca)! Braon oci, tamna kosa, visok 186, nosina, cela antropologija dinarska 101%!
Ja koliko sam citao I2a nije slovenska genetika, nego dinarska (domicilna)!
Sto se Bg i Zg tice, oni su glavni gradovi srpstva i hrvatstva i ako je to zapravo daleko od onoga gde je srpstvo i hrvatstvo nastalo (u ovom obliku koji poznajemo), a to je Lika, Dalmacija, Herzegovina, Crna Gora, Severna Albanija sa Metohijom!
Haplogroup I2a1b-L621
This branch is found overwhelmingly in Slavic countries. Its maximum frequencies are observed among the Dinaric Slavs (Slovenes, Croats, Bosniaks, Serbs, Montenegrins and Macedonians) as well as in Bulgaria, Romania, Moldavia, western Ukraine and Belarus. It is also common to a lower extent in Albania, Greece, Hungary, Slovakia, Poland, and south-western Russia. I2-L621 (L147.2+) is also known as as I2a-Din (for Dinaric).
The high concentration of I2a1b-L621 in north-east Romania, Moldova and central Ukraine reminds of the maximum spread of the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture (4800-3000 BCE). No Y-DNA sample from this culture has been tested to date, but as it evolved as an offshoot from the Starčevo–Kőrös–Criş culture, it is likely that I2a was one of its main paternal lineages, and a founder effect could have increased considerably its frequency. The Cucuteni-Trypillian culture was the most advanced Neolithic culture in Europe before the Indo-European invasions in the Bronze Age and seems to have had intensive contacts with the Steppe culture before the expansion of Yamna to the Balkans and Central Europe (see histories of R1a and R1b). From 3500 BCE, at the onset of the Yamna period in the Pontic-Caspian Steppe, the Cucuteni-Trypillian people started expanding east into the steppe of what is now western Ukraine, leaving their towns (the largest in the world at the time), and adopting an increasingly nomadic lifestyle like their Yamna neighbours. It can easily be imagined that Cucuteni-Trypillian people became assimilated by the Yamna neighbours and that they spread as a minority lineage alongside haplogroups R1a and R1b as they advanced toward the Baltic with the Corded Ware expansion. Alternatively, I2-L621 lineages could have lived in relative isolation from the mainstream Proto-Indo-European society somewhere around Ukraine, Poland or Belarus, then as the centuries and millennia passed, would have blended with the predominantly R1a populations around them. The resulting amalgam would have become the ancestors of the Proto-Slavs.
Nowadays northern Slavic countries have between 9% (Poland, Czech republic) and 21% (Ukraine) of I2a-L621, while southern Slavs have between 20% (Bulgaria) and 50% (Bosnia). The higher percentage of I2a-Din in the south is probably just due to another founder effect due to the fact that the South Slavs originated in western Ukraine, where the ratio of I2a to R1a was higher. Virtually all Dinaric I2a falls under the L147.2 branch, and the majority to the S17250 ramification, who descend from a common patrilinear ancestor who lived only 1,800 years ago.
Балкански I2a1b је словенског порекла и потиче из данашње Украјине.
Генетска истраживања потврђују сеобу Словена на Балкан. А то што данашњи Срби не личе на данашње Русе или Пољаке је последица тога што су данашњи Срби мешавина Словена насељених на Балкан и балканских староседелаца, док су Руси мешавина Словена и угрофинских племена, док је код Пољака вероватно заступљена више нека "германска" генетика.